This video will give you an idea of how much the grown ups did love the JUNIOR PRO 8 & 4m kite. People have to understand that the JUNIOR PRO 4 & 8M are also great kites for adults. Because a kite is a kite but it has to be well designed to perform the way all the EPIC kites perform. What makes these kites good for kids is because of the KIDS BAR. The KIDS BAR has Narrow grip / very small CL / very small throw on the bar and flies on 15 meter lines. So if a grown ups wants to use the JUNIOR PRO 8m he can always do but then he will need to use the normal BAR that comes with all the EPIC kites. Also you can always use the KIDS BAR on the RENEGADE 6.5 / 9 / 11. SCREAMER 7/9. And the rider can’t be more then 130 lbs.